Men Tell Me to Smile

In this first part of a two-part episode, we speak with Stephanie Burt, a poet, a literary critic, and a professor of English at Harvard University. A recipient of a 2016 Guggenheim Fellowship, she’s the author of many books, including her volume of poems, We Are Mermaids; her award-winning anthology of post-Stonewall queer poetry, Super Gay Poems; and her just-out Taylor’s Version: The Poetic and Musical Genius of Taylor Swift. The New York Times called Burt “one of the most influential poetry critics of her generation.”  Stephanie tells us about how she first encountered Sarah’s poems and why they stand out as the work of a distinctive and major writer.  She also reads and discusses her gateway poem, “A Lesson in a Picture.”  

Interview date: 26 September 2025

Mock Diamonds

In this episode, our podcast host Elizabeth Renker introduces Stephanie Burt to her own favorite poem of Sarah’s, “Mock Diamonds,” one of her great poems of the Reconstruction period immediately following the U.S. Civil War. Elizabeth reads the poem aloud and tells us about the historical background.  She and Stephanie break the poem down stanza by stanza, exploring how Sarah created an appealing surface for general readers and a simultaneous deeper layer that scrutinizes white nostalgia for the Old South, the emergent Lost Cause ideology, and the rise of the Ku Klux Klan.  Stephanie calls “Mock Diamonds” “a poem for our time.”

Interview date: 26 September 2025